SMLTalk With: Abe Dubin

The Fancy Lad guys have always had a certain something about them. From their trick selection, to their always entertaining videos. We had Milwaukee transplant and friend of the site, Chris Botsch, chat with old friend Abe "Orange Man" Dubin about everything from his choice of clothing, to his new part debuting on the site. Thanks to Abe and Chris for getting the interview together, and Mike Decker for the video. Enjoy.

Mr. Abe Dubin

Mr. Abe Dubin

Whats up?

What’s good brotherrrr!

Let’s just start out with this – Why orange? Let us in on the origins of “ The Orange Man”

Where we grew up, South Shore Massachusetts, Route 53 is a long stretch of strip malls and car dealerships. Nestled between an ice cream shop and a Toyota dealership is a yellow house with two yellow trucks in the driveway. The rest of the yard is filled with yellow decorations including a yellow crucifix. This is Yellow Man’s home. Yellow Man is an eccentric, energetic, older man with long flowing white hair and long white beard who dons all yellow clothing. He can be found collecting cans along the auto-mile, riding his bike, driving his yellow pick-up, chatting with passersby or dancing on the side of the road.  He speaks in jokes and poetry.  He is goofy, witty and consistently a ray of sunshine. Coincidently, as if my some kind of mystical divine intervention, a man known as Red Man, paces the same auto-mile, passing by Yellow Man’s house on his daily march.  Red Man is a wide, barrel-chested man, who wears red sweatpants and a red crew neck sweatshirt.  His face is red and weathered from enduring the elements everyday of the harsh and unpredictable New England weather.  He suspects that he is under constant surveillance and suspects everyone of being one of the “Satellite People”.  Yellow Man represents the creative spirit, pure joy and the lust of life that we all have.  He is exuberant, fun and full of love, whereas Red Man represents rugged individualism and survival.  He is weary of modern culture and is a freedom fighter in a suburban wasteland. These men are both my heroes.

I’ve known you for over 10 years now- “pre-orange” if you will. When did you start skating and who were some of your early influences?

I started skating like most kids, around age 7, with a banana board from the local used sports store.  I had other interests, and skateboarding waned from my extra curricular activities until I was 14.  My little brother, Isaac, and all my neighbors suddenly were skating everyday out on the street.  They had “real” boards and were learning tricks that I didn’t even know existed. I could still ride and push so I got a board and joined them. I finally understood why my brother and our friends would try, without success, for hours to accomplish one trick.  The struggle of skating- overcoming fear and physical limitations, became the most fulfilling thing I’d ever experienced, and I’ve never stopped since then. The first videos I ever saw were The Search For Animal Chin and Welcome to Hell. I watched a lot of SK8-TV too, so the eighties and early nineties skaters had a huge impact on me.  The whole presentation, goofy tricks, wild fashion and the sense of humor all felt so relatable and free.  

Real quick. Gimme your top 5 favorite skaters from the South Shore.

Zacher with the unique moves, improvisational genius and unemulatable collapsible body bending.  Dave Darling with the unmatchable fury and massive bonelesses. Mike Decker with the diehard passion and ability to learn any trick he wanted, no matter how long it took. Chris Roe with the giant pop and beautiful sway of his switch-looking style. You, Chris Botsch, for the tech wizardry, infinite balance and spontaneous and fun-loving attitude.  

Aw, you’re too sweet. I recall you having a pretty heavy Alien Workshop/Habitat vibe going on as a teen. Other than FL, what are some companies that you’re into in 2017?                                                                                                                                                                                           
Nowadays there are a lot of small brands with a lot of creative influence.  I really enjoy the Polar videos, the art direction and spots are always a treat.  I’ve always been a big fan of Traffic Skateboards, all of those OG and younger east coast guys charging through the streets and powering through the crustiest spots. I Really admire the Japanese skaters involved with Magenta and Heroin. Takahiro Morito, Gou Miyagi and The Osaka Daggers are some of the most inspirational skaters to me.  Their uninhibited creativity and individuality is something you can’t get in the states.  

As far as Fancy Lad goes, how did you meet Big and get involved with the company?

I met Big, and the other Fancy Lads long before Fancy Lad existed, through my friend Mike Lindquist. We went to art school together and lived in the same dorms. We realized that each other skated, and soon were chilling in his dorm room, eating cheese balls, watching Tim and Eric (the show) on YouTube…and doing other illicit (but now legal) things that college students do. One day in 2011, in the middle of winter, Big told us he was starting a board company and that we were all the team riders.

Any good Fiske stories?

Any time spent with Fiske is a trip. I live with the guy now, so I’m a little desensitized to his unique worldview and often bizarre behavior.

Is there any process you have for your tricks? Is it more of a spur of the moment kind of thing (free form jazz style), or do you make a list of tricks you want to do?

Rather than write out a trick list, I often draw up detailed diagrams of the boards I want to build. They are like cartoon blueprints, labeling the specific supplies and tools necessary to create it. Sometimes I make comic strips, or dance step maps to wrap my head around how to execute the trick. I take pictures of spots on my flip phone and collect them as a spot rolodex. Other times, I head out with just my cruiser board and try to skate somewhere I’ve never been before. Cruising down a street for the first time ever, adapting to the cracks, carving little banks and negotiating any other obstacles in your way, as you see them for the very first time. That to me is true skateboarding. Like surfing, that immediate reaction to your environment and how you move through it, using what you’ve learned and what your body knows.  

"How about 'Humpy Dumpty sat on a Wallie' ?" - A.D

"How about 'Humpy Dumpty sat on a Wallie' ?" - A.D

If you could put anyone on the FL team, who would it be?

Hands down, Branden Leonardo, AKA Gnardo! If you haven’t seen his parts in Vic’s Market and Vic’s Market 2, you really need to treat yourself. The man is a genius.  Definitely my favorite skater.  He’s come to visit us from Washington twice now and he’s the best!

Do you feel as though Fancy Lad is shunned at all by the mainstream media of skateboarding?

I think that Fancy Lad is not exactly, commercially viable.  Fancy Lad, although it is a board company, is very different from almost every other capitalistic entity. The way that we skate and perform is meant to suggest that you can be whatever you want and whoever you want to be. I think most products are sold using tactics of coercion, i.e. “you need us to better a better you”.  We don’t follow the rules, and in every business and industry, there are rules.

When it comes to your skating, how do you take criticism? Is that something you like to read into, or no?

I love getting feedback. Positive feedback tickles my ego, but it’s the negative comments I am much more entertained by. Constructive, or not so constructive criticism can help me learn more about what it is that I’m doing, and what the audience’s expectations are. I try not to let either side go to my head. I’m very open to people’s critique if there is an open dialogue and a thoughtful conversation taking place. None of us can do anything alone, we need suggestions and helpful hints from the people we respect, strangers and the haters!

I know you have a background in illustration, so when it comes to creating boards- Is that something you like to draw out first, or do you just start drilling? For instance, with the wallride that was made of boards. Is that something you knew you wanted to do, or did you just happen to have a trunk full of old boards that day?

Right, so many of my tricks are drawn out beforehand, including the wall ride on boards. Drawing has always helped me envision things more clearly, especially with skateboarding. As complicated as it tends to be, making a visual representation really helps me in meditating on the tricks and bringing it to reality. The drawing is the first step in bringing the idea from the imagination to the physical realm.  

I don’t want you to let the cat out of the bag or anything, but is there a dream clip for you?

Every trick that I want to do starts as a dream, and so many of them have come true.  A lot of times I’m brainstorming or thinking about tricks, or special skateboards that intrigue me - suddenly I’ll think, “What if you could somehow…” From that moment I want the trick to happen. I’ll think about it all day, draw diagrams, find the perfect spot, gather the supplies with which to build it, choose a dope outfit to film it in, etc.. I treat nearly all of my tricks as my most important work.

You received the second pro model for FL this past year- How has your life changed since that fateful day?

Haha yeah… honestly I’m not sure how many people are aware that this pro model exists…or that Fancy Lad Skateboards exists for that matter. Someone asked me the other day, “You guys make boards?” What has happened since I got a pro board, well, it’s still kind of a shock. It is something I never ever expected or thought I could ever have. As a kid, I never even bothered dreaming about it. The fact that people are psyched enough for the board to exist is an honor. Having a board with my name on it, and for a company with all of my best friends, that is such an amazing honor.  Obviously I’m not your Street League contender pro, but the idea of what “pro skateboarder” means needs a serious make over.  

Abe's very appropriately designed board for Fancy Lad

Abe's very appropriately designed board for Fancy Lad

You once skated Eggs in a dress. What are some of the pro’s and con’s of skating in a dress?

Skating in a dress is not only a fashion “hell yeah”, it is extremely comfortable! It’s like skating in shorts, but three times as much breathability! Obviously, you have a lot less protection from your board hitting you, or falling on the ground and getting all scraped up.  

So how did this part come about? I know you grew up with Deck (Mike Decker), so did he approach you to film this part?

Yeah, I grew up skating with Mike Decker. We lived across the street from each other for about 12 years.  Mike has always been killing it on the streets, filming and editing our videos since we were little. He now does animation professionally and asked me to do a “day in the life” style edit, using my drawings as animated characters that inhabit the world of my imagination.  

You once told me that "walking is for suckers", and it's stuck with me to this day. How did you stumble upon this conclusion?                                                                                                           
I went to college in the city, and I quickly learned that walking, although great for you in so many ways, is such a slow way to get around. I had always skated around the city, but discovering biking, and the time it saves, the exercise you get, and the fun you have- there is just no substitute. Especially as skaters, we might as well use the skills that we've been practicing our entire lives. Skate to the store, or work- it’s so much efficient and fun. Realistically, riding any kind of self-propelled vehicle is going to be so much faster and easier on your ankles! You gotta coast through life!

What’s next for Abe “Orange Man” Dubin? Is there a new fancy lad video in the works?

I’m always thinking of my next trick, and tricks add up. We’re all currently trying to bust out another Fancy Lad full length video, set to premiere at the end of spring. I hope you can make it brother! I hope you can all make it.   

SMLTalk with: Tim Olson

With a million different brands popping up and consuming the skate world, its nearly impossible to keep up with every single one. The Friend Ship, based out of Milwaukee, WI, has built an impressive following while also shining a light on a relatively unknown skate scene. We chatted with founder Tim Olson to find out more about his beloved Milwaukee and what it takes to make a unique mark in the industry.

Young tim

Young tim

Alright, Tim - why don’t you tell us where you’re from originally and when did you first begin life as as a skateboarder?

I was born here in Milwaukee. Been here most of my life, with the exception of a few years in Madison, Wisconsin and a year in Tampa. My life as a skateboarder began in 1986. This kid Neal was skateboarding outside of our middle school. I was a freestyle BMX kid. You know, like flatground crap, and he hippy jumped my bike. I was tripping out and that was it. Neal and I became good friends after that and grew up skating together. We are still good friends to this day, some 30 years later. Pretty crazy.

What was the first skate video you ever saw? What other videos did you grow up on?

I think I saw the Bones Brigade Video Show in passing at some kid’s house, but Animal Chin was the first one that I really remember having an impact on me. After that, it was the H-Street videos and then, of course, Video Days and Questionable. But I think of all videos of all time, Eastern Exposure 3 really influenced me the most. Barley, Reese and Ricky were the best, and that kind of skating really resonated with me. I was never really good at flipping my board, so wallies and smith grinds and all that was what I wanted to do. These days I don’t watch much. Maybe just the “must see” types of videos like Propeller and Away Days. There’s just too much to keep up with.

Outside of Greg Lutzka having grown up there, I know very little about the Milwaukee skate scene. How would you describe your scene? What outside scenes/videos resonate the best with skateboarding in Milwaukee?

The scene is strong. Lots of skaters. Pretty cliquey, but what city isn’t? There’s a few really good dudes, too. We have a great d.i.y. and a few good parks here. Of course winter sucks, but there’s some indoor spots and parks to hit up. Summer in Milwaukee is the best, though. More skateboarders need to come through and check it out. As far as other scenes/videos, I’d say any scene that has to deal with winter, the crusty spots winter creates and the blazing hot summers, those would be the scenes that would resonate with Milwaukee.

Also - have you ever met the Lutzka? Was he able to turn left at all?

Yeah, totally met Lutz. Went to his house in California. Had some shots of Cuervo. Dude is really nice. Some wacky sponsors, but if some of those people came knocking at my door, I’d do the same thing.

How did The Friend Ship start? Who all runs the company’s day to day operations and who makes up the team currently? Are you doing The Friend Ship full time?

Oh man. The Friend Ship started as an idea for a sister company to Roger. The money wasn’t there, so the idea got scrapped. Thankfully, instagram came along and saved the idea. I posted a photo of some graphics or something and David Ritchie (owner of Surprise skateboards) saw it and said “why don’t we just do it?” So we did. And here we are. I run the day to day and David does all the production when it’s time for that. He also deals with all the shipping and team boxes, too. I give a lot of dudes boards. I’m not sure if we have a “team”, it’s more of just a bunch of guys that should probably be getting boards for one reason or another. I give free skateboards to Dan Corrigan, Cyril Palmer, Chris Harris, T.J. Bohach, Nick Sommer, Ben Hess, Chris Luhring, Ethan Sontag, Chris Botsch, John Benton, Sergio Santoro, John McGuire, Sean Hanley and Travis Harrison. We also have a pro. Jimmy Carlin. He’s the best dude.

You seem to be constantly filming the team, updating the instagram, pushing new product - when do you find time to skate? How often do you get to go skating for fun?

It’s tough. If I want to skate, I have to leave the camera in the car. Most of my personal skating happens at our d.i.y. If we are at a fun curb spot or something, I’ll make it a point to push around for a while. But now my focus is filming these dudes and getting the spotlight on them as much as I can or as much as they want. It’s kind of like having a kid, you stop living for yourself and start living to take care of it. That’s how having a skateboard company feels, too. I want it to grow, be good and have people like it as much as I do. Which is a lot.

With so many brands popping up, what inspired you to start your own? What separates The Friend Ship from other brands in the industry?

Anyone that decides to start a skateboard company now-a-days is absolutely nuts. There’s so many brands and differentiating yourself from them all is tricky. It’s super easy to fall into the trends and be influenced by all this rad stuff coming out, so I try super hard not to pay attention. I also try to keep things light and mostly positive. There’s so much bad shit in the world, why would anyone want to add more?

Where did the name come from?

That’s kind of a long story. I guess it was just coming to realize that no matter what, your skateboard is always there when you need it. After everyone else is gone, it’s still there.

One thing I really like about your brand is how varied the team is with their skating, I mean some of those dudes are really out there - What do you look for when you’re thinking about flowing somebody boards or considering putting them on the team?

This is a good question. There’s so many variables in skating these days. Everyone skates so differently. I guess when you’re trying to promote your company, you look for guys that you think would be a good fit and would help sell skateboards. It seems like people want to see something different these days, and pretty much every dude I give boards to has something different to offer. Also, you have to be a nice person. That’s almost as important as how good or bad or different you are at skating. All of the guys I give boards to have something special about them. They aren’t trick robots out to one up anyone or win the big tournament.

How did Jimmy Carlin end up with you guys after Enjoi?

Jimmy was referred to us by a good friend. He just seemed to fit with what we are doing over here.

Ok let’s talk about our boy Chris Botsch - I mean he’s been out there for less than a year and it seems like he’s taken your instagram account by storm. How did you meet Chris? Do you know if he’s lost his virginity yet? What’s something you feel that people should know about Cbotsch?

I met Chris at the d.i.y. He was stunting about and looked like he was having a good time, so I hit him up to go skate. Little did I know he lives 4 blocks from me so we ended up skating together a bunch. I’m not sure which virginity you’re referring to, but maybe? He has a girlfriend, so probably? I never assume anything. Anyway, he’s a footage machine, so of course he’s going to be all over our gram. Dude has a pretty crazy bag of tricks, too. If there’s one thing people should know about Chris, it’s that he loves Massachusetts. Lots of hometown pride.

On a scale from Jim Greco to the Gonz, how mobbed is Cbotsch’s kickflip?

If Gonz and Greco had a kid, and that kid grew up to kickflip, Chris would be that kid.

You two are apparently filming a part...when can we expect this part to drop? What’s filming a part with Cbotsch like? How badly do you hate his green hair?

He always has that green hair covered up with some hat, so I only kinda love it. I don’t think we are filming a part. Everything he does goes straight to the gram. But filming with him is great. He’s always trying something new. Did you see the fakie Titanic? Wow.

When it comes to filming a part in general, do you ever push people try different things or do you just let them film what they want? Do you ever suggest tricks or spots for certain people you’re filming?

I’m all about letting the dudes do what they like. Sometimes, I will suggest an idea or a spot if I think it’s within their abilities or it fits their personality. But I like to lets the dudes express themselves. I have been known to skoach to the point of being annoying though.

Let’s talk about Wisconsin for a minute. Give me your favorite Wisconsin brewed beers.

Coors light, Coors light and Coors light.

In your opinion, who are the top three skateboarders from Wisconsin?

So many good dudes came out of Wisconsin. Best 3? Currently? Hmm. Max Murphy is amazing. He’s always been so good. I know it may seem biased, but Ben Hess is gnarly. I’d say him even if he didn’t skate for me. And who else? Uh, I’m just gonna say some random dude that I never heard of is the best. There’s always one of those.

Have you ever been to the Wisconsin Dells? Why are there so many waterparks?

Yeah, I’ve been there! It’s incredibly dumb and awesome. A giant tourist trap. If you’re ever in Wisconsin, you have to go. It’s a moral imperative. And why so many waterparks? Because they rule, that’s why.

How important is cheese in your everyday life?

I’d give it a medium priority level. If I’m eating a burger, it goes to defcon 5.

Ok, back to skateboarding stuff. What advice would you give to someone who is thinking of starting their own brand? What are the pro’s and cons of running your own company?

Don’t. Or just wait until we all disappear first. There needs to be a huge industry purge soon. It’s just too much. I’ve predicted that if trends continue, that by 2020, every skateboarder will own their own company, thus collapsing the infrastructure of the skate industry and the only companies left standing will be hardware and wax companies. So maybe start a wax company?
The good things about owning a company far outweigh the bad. You get free boards, you can put whatever you want on the bottom of a board, you don’t have to punch a clock, everyday is Saturday and you are doing what you love. The bad? Having art block, jealous people, kicking riders off the team, sponsor me DM’s, hassling riders for photos and footage and sometimes doing what you love makes you hate what you love a little. But that doesn’t last long.

Layback air photo: dane Haman

Layback air photo: dane Haman

How do you feel about the state of skateboarding today? What would you like to see more of/tired of seeing so much of?

Skateboarding is great. It always has been and always will be. I’d like to see more companies getting along and doing things together. Less pointless beefs and segregation. I’d like to see more kids out there inventing new ways to skate and pushing the envelope of what is possible. Trends come and go, but as long as there’s a board under their feet, it really doesn’t matter what kind of hat they are wearing or if they are skating a curb or a mega ramp.

Where do you see the Friend Ship in the near future? Is there a full length video in the works? A Thrasher feature maybe? How do you plan on growing the brand in the next couple of years?

We haven’t made plans for a video. No features. Just skating, making skateboards and hopefully doing things right and pushing the brand in the right direction. It’s a slow process, but anything worthwhile takes time and patience to grow. I love skateboarding with all of my heart and I’d like to contribute something good and positive to our world.

Thank you’s/Shout Out’s?

Sure. First and foremost, thanks to David Ritchie for making dreams come true. A huge thanks to Steve Green with everything at the beginning. Thanks to all the shops and distributors worldwide that have carried us. You guys rule. Anyone that took a chance on us and bought a board from one of those shops; thank you. All the artists and companies that have contributed to us or that we have worked with; thank you. Thanks to all the followers on Instagram. Your likes are appreciated. Thanks to Nate and Trina Joski for housing me while I’m out in L.A. To all my team dudes; I love you guys. Thanks for being you. And last but not least, thanks to my better half; Cara Corder, for being there always.

SMLTalk with: Michael Sieben

Backside Stinkpick photo: SHAUN MEFFORD

Backside Stinkpick photo: SHAUN MEFFORD

Very Important: What’s your favorite cereal?

I hope this isn’t a deal breaker but I rarely eat cereal. I pretty much just chug black coffee until lunchtime every day.

Let’s get this very basic question out of the way: where are you from originally and when did you first pick up a skateboard?

I was born in Kansas City, MO, and moved to Seguin, TX, the day after my sixth birthday. I started skating in ’87 when I was 12 years old. I went from Freestylin’ to Thrasher and never looked back.

What were some of the skate videos you grew up on that inspired you when you were younger?

As a little dude, The Search for Animal Chin, Speed Freaks, Wheels of Fire and Streets on Fire—those were the only videos that me and my friends had. As a teenager and into my early twenties, I had Stereo’s A Visual Sound and Mad Circle’s Let The Horns Blow on steady repeat. Mike Daher’s part in A Visual Sound is still my favorite video part. Hokus Pokus definitely tripped me out too.

When did art come into the picture? It seems like a lot of your art is inspired by 80’s-era graphics. Was this era your first artistic inspiration or did you find art through a different channel?

I’ve been into drawing for as long as I can remember. When I was younger I wanted to be a children’s book illustrator and I tried to draw like Maurice Sendak, Dr. Seuss, Richard Scarry and others. But as soon as I stepped foot into my first skateshop, Zulu’s in San Antonio, TX, I was totally consumed with skate graphics and skate culture. This was the golden age of Pushead, VCJ and Jim Phillips and the board wall was full of bones, guts and gore. As a 12-year-old kid, there couldn’t have been anything more awesome as far as I was concerned. As I got older I tried to mash my two main interests, children’s book illustration and ‘80s skate graphics, into one cohesive style.

Why have you never moved to LA or New York for your artistic or skateboarding-based pursuits? Do you feel like you could have done more in either world outside of Austin or have you been able to manage these worlds outside of their respective hubs?

Occasionally I wonder if my career would have been different if I’d pulled the trigger and escaped Texas. But I just never felt the impetus to move someplace with a more-established art or skate scene. It seemed more pure to stay put and try to shine some light on my scene here in Austin. And luckily, the Internet popped up as I was starting my career, so it was really easy to stay in contact with people outside of Texas and to promote my work beyond my city’s border. For better or worse, I’ve just always been kinda stubborn about leaving Texas.

Has being in Texas ever affected your role at Thrasher? How often do you interact with Phelps/Burnett? Got any good Phelps stories?

Somehow I wiggled my way into the Managing Editor position at Thrasher without ever setting up camp in California, so I don’t think living in Texas has had a negative impact on my relationship with the magazine. If anything, I think it helps give me more of an outsider’s view on skate culture. Or at least that’s what I tell myself. I talk to Michael Burnett all the time; we’re in constant contact. Phelps and I talk occasionally. The first time I met Jake he told me that I looked like one of my drawings. That’s probably not a compliment.

The Program has been going strong for a minute now - Tell us about the transition away from Roger and who else is involved in this new company.

Stacy [Lowery] and I ran Roger for five years with varying degrees of success. We never really had the perfect scenario in place for manufacturing and distribution, which is obviously crucial. Jason Celaya [owner of Welcome] approached us about doing something through his new distribution company [also called Welcome] and I was super stoked on the idea. I’d followed Welcome since it started and it was one of my favorite companies. We agreed that Roger would need some kind of re-boot to make it seem new and fresh. Through that discussion I threw out the idea of just doing something completely different. Welcome would have been our fourth distributor for Roger and it seemed like shops were already confused about where to buy our stuff. The Program was born during this time. Stacy and I co-own the company and my buddy Mike Aho is on board to help out with video work.

I noticed a quote at the bottom of one of the boards that read “I made them, yet they conspire against me.” I googled it and all that came up was stuff from the Bible. Do you consider yourself a religious person? What does that quote mean to you?

I’m not religious at all. That quote was from a journal that I found buried in my front yard. It was in the same trunk that all of those haunted puppets were in. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, click here:

Who all makes up the team for The Program? Any insight into who will have the first pro board?

As of right now: Will Blakley, Max Taylor, Ryan Holloway, Trace Saylor and we just put on two more Austin dudes: Tim Soeung and Zach Farkas. So we’ve got a Vancouver resident and five Texans. We’re not in a huge rush to turn anybody pro. Kinda need the board sales to justify a move like that. We’re still really small.

The Program recently started a new contest called "Pushing with the Program" which aims to hook kids up for a month based on their video submissions. You guys had a similar contest with the Roger of the Month program. Is this a way for you to lock in untapped talent or is it more of a reach out to keep people stoked on what your company is doing? What do you look for when you're looking over these submissions and thinking about giving free product to a kid whose sent you their tape?

Pushin’ with the Program works on a few different levels: it’s a way for us to actively engage with kids instead of just presenting them with stuff to watch, it gives us the opportunity to scout for talent and it’s a way for us to give younger riders a platform to showcase their sponsor-me videos. Previous Roger of the Month winners include Clint Walker, Ryan Spencer, Cole Wilson, Preston Harper and Patrick Franklin, so it’s a proven formula for getting footage in front of other people in the skate industry. As far as what we look for in a video, I personally watch all of them and I just look for skaters who appear to be having fun and look natural on the board. It’s one of those you-know-it-when-you-see-it vibes.

Another one of my favorite companies when I was younger was Bueno. I had heard part of its downfall were some issues with the distributor, Giant. Care to tell us what happened with that? It seemed like you guys really had something going and then it was just gone.

It’s funny how memorable Bueno is for a company that was only fully operational for a little over a year. Stacy and I started Bueno through Giant Distribution in 2005. In 2007, Giant Distribution filed for bankruptcy and went out of business, taking Bueno down with it. We tried to get the name so we could keep the company going, but the powers that be were not willing to hand it over. Stacy and I started Roger a year later just as a side project and a reason to stay in touch with each other. And here we are seven years later, still making stuff and having fun with it. I’m a firm believer that tomorrow outweighs yesterday. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff when you spend all your time looking in the rearview mirror.

The Program is being distributed through Welcome Skateboards. How did that affiliation come about? Do you feel any wariness in going through a larger distributor?

I’ve known Jason Celaya for a few years and always admired what he was doing with Welcome. When he asked Stacy and I if we wanted to team up with him, it was a no-brainer, as far I was concerned. We launched the brand through Welcome last July and so far it’s been the best working relationship I’ve experienced in the skate industry. They run a really tight ship and do everything they say they’re going to do, which is a rarity from what I’ve seen in my ten-plus years dorking around in this microcosm.

How do you feel about graphics in today’s world of skateboarding? Would you like to see more skateboarders design their own graphics? Do the people that ride for your brands ever have a say in what goes on their board?

That’s a tough one; there’s not a lot of Neil Blenders in the world. With Bueno, I was young and didn’t want anybody to tell me what to draw, so Stacy and Shiloh [Greathouse] got whatever I handed them. With Roger, I talked with both Nates [Broussard and LaCoste] and got their input into their graphics. I’ll definitely be consulting The Program riders if and when pro models make an appearance. But back to your first question, I think it really depends on the brand and how the rider’s art would mesh with the direction of the company. Jason Adams doing his own Black Label graphics obviously works really well. But if he rode for DGK, it might look a little weird. I’m an illustrator so my personal preference is for hand-drawn graphics, but I’d never tell a kid what he should be stoked on being on the bottom of his skateboard.

I gotta say, that nosepick you reeled in for this interview is incredible. How often do you get to skate these days? After being in the industry for so long, does the act of skateboarding still have the same appeal as when you started?

I still skate pretty often. My son’s preschool is a few blocks away from House Park in downtown Austin, so I skate there a lot in the mornings. That nosepick photo was a battle. I’d never done a backside nosepick before. I was really hoping to grab behind my knee but I had to take what I could get: stinky but honest. To me, the appeal of skating never changes: it’s just fun to roll around with friends. The industry has no effect on that feeling.

I always loved the Texas skate scene, but what are some other skate scenes that you’re psyched on? How important is it to pay attention to skateboarding not happening in your state or in California?

It’s really difficult to be aware of everything going on in skateboarding, currently, without being plugged into your phone or laptop all day every day. That being said, I’m sure there are pockets that are killing it that I have no knowledge of. To me, the most important thing to pay attention to is what you and your friends are doing. It’s just as important as what anybody else in the world is doing. More so since you’re an active participant as opposed to a viewer. Your scene is the scene.

**Is there any truth to you paying Big from Fancy Lad for the term “Avant-Gnar”?

Hah! If I told Big I was going to pay him then I’m a liar because I never sent him any cash. But yes, he did indeed coin that term and I borrowed it for a write up in Thrasher about The Golden Egg video. If you’ve never seen it, do yourself a favor and trip out for seven-and-a-half minutes:

What’s the hardest part about running a company? Would you rather be in the art department working for someone or is there something to be said about working for yourself?

To me, the hardest part of running a skate brand is properly executing the boring stuff: sales, distribution, shipping—crap like that. Luckily, with The Program, the guys at Welcome take care of all the backend stuff and I’m freed up to just work on the fun stuff like graphics and video content. And yeah, it’s obviously way cooler to work for yourself instead of having to answer to somebody. I’m sure I’d make more money if I were to have an in-house art job with a larger board brand, but that would mean executing somebody else’s vision instead of working on my own thing. I’d rather make less money and pursue my own vision than plug into somebody else’s dream.

What are some companies right now that have an art direction you’re psyched on?

I’m still a big fan of Welcome. It’s rad that Todd Francis is doing stuff for Antihero again. I’m psyched to see what Sean Cliver’s brand, Paisley, does. I’m an illustrator, so I’m definitely more drawn, no pun intended, to hand-drawn graphics on boards vs. photos, logos, collages, or type treatments.

You’ve done a tremendous amount of work in the skateboard industry but you have a pretty lengthy resume outside of our little bubble as well. What was your favorite non-skateboard project that you worked on and what was your least favorite?

Favorite: seeing my work animated on Nick Jr. in between cartoons. Least favorite: designing a poster for a beer company and later seeing them put the art on a crappy longboard without consulting me.

Did you attend art school? Is this something you recommend for people seeking careers in the arts? Would you say going/not going helped or hurt your career?

I have a bachelor’s degree in fine art from the University of Texas at Austin. In hindsight, I probably should have attended an art school and studied illustration and design based on where my career has taken me, but I had no idea what I was doing in my late teens/early twenties. I’d definitely recommend getting a degree if it’s within your means to do so. There’s no such thing as having too much education.

Let’s talk about your home base of Austin, Texas. Though I’ve only been once, it was definitely one of the coolest places I’ve traveled to. I was also lucky enough to skate a couple of the ditches while I was there. What is the best ditch spot in Austin and why?

My favorite ditch in this area is either called C-Tech or C-Fan depending on how old you are. It’s next to a big factory that was named C-Tech back in the ‘80s/early ‘90s but that has since changed names to C-Fan. I also have a soft spot in my heart for Alexandria ditch because there was a good three-year period where it was the only spot I skated. Heavy local vibes.

Name the top-five skateboarders from Texas.

Jeez—heavy task. I’d probably get the boot if I didn’t start with Jeff Phillips. Okay, four more: Raney Beres, Ben Raybourn, Nate Broussard and all the TX dudes that skate for The Program. There’s no way to please everybody, so if you don’t like these answers please write your own list on your phone or computer screen with a Sharpie. You win.

Any current shows/art things you’re working on that you’d like to plug for the masses?

My buddy Travis Millard and I have been doing a bunch of collaborative drawings lately and we just put out a zine compilation of some of them along with some screen prints—all printed by our friends at Industry Print Shop in Austin. You can check that out here if you’re so inclined:

And lastly, what do you think about the state of skateboarding today? With Street League, televised video parts, talk of the Olympics etc., do you think we’ve gotten away from the core values of skateboarding? Do you think these still exist? Will skateboarding’s current place in mainstream culture last forever?

As long as I can go skate a ditch with my friends, skateboarding seems okay to me. And I honestly believe that no matter how big skateboarding gets there will always be weirdos out there doing it for no other reason than to have fun. I’d have to assume that skateboarding’s position in mainstream culture will ebb and flow, but with a public concrete skatepark in almost every town in America, I don’t really see it disappearing. But maybe that’s what they said in the ‘70s…

*Special thanks to Mike Laybold and of course, Sieben himself, for taking the time to do this.